an observation through time and an enigmatic message involving war and peace

[j. oak 357silversword]

this dream begins on a note of war and ends on a note of peace. it begins with my seeing events through the perceptions of someone else and then receiving a seemingly unrelated message from another source. this is the most baffling dream of my experience. it begins with seeing and hearing through the mind and perceptions of someone who lived many years before. he was a pilot in an air squadron. i could even hear the noise of the plane's engine as it took off. after flying for a little while the pilot next to him suddenly pointed to a group of clouds ahead. there coming against he background of the clouds were red painted planes i recognized- 3 wings -a Fokker triplane- the sun against the clouds had made them a little hard to see but now they were very evident. slightly above the allied squadron and a little to the right. the pilot who was my conduit was among the first to climb right at them. he was a very skillful pilot. the plane he flew-a Sopwith camel- was known for being a hard plane to fly but he learned to fly it almost effortlessly. he was a rare one for going after the enemy. i grew almost dizzy following how he maneuvered his plane. the steep climb and the turns and then the swift dives. he shot down two of the enemy aircraft, but when he went after a twin engine medium bomber one of the enemy got on his tail and let loose with a machine gun burst. he shot away the tail of the plane . this pilot tried to maneuver his plane to meet it. but the German pilot caught him in mid-turn. the whole rear of his plane burst into flames . the engine had been hit,so he lost control of the plane. as he desperately tried to steer the plane to land it suddenly it went into an extremely rapid dive. the steering mechanism was damaged so the plane was going almost straight down at an alarming speed. he tried to guide to an emergency landing but all he succeeded in doing was slanting it a little . then the plane hit the ground in a terrific explosion . after that i could sense being in place in the field where his plane had crashed. a field just a short distance from a road. only now it was different. not the road or the field. the air, the atomsphere was different. it was heavier and yet almost had the quality or the same sensation one might get from looking at a 3-dimensional film or even better yet,a hologram. then i saw something where the plane had crashed. i heard a distant humming noise which became stronger,then a yellow-brown light then the sound increased until it became the sound of an engine,then the plane came up i could actually feel the feelings of the pilot as the new surge of power ran through. he was saying to himself "i have power" then i saw a red painted Albatross d-VIII. the pilot of this plane was looking placidly at the scene before him . i could hear the engines of both planes but distantly, as though hearing them on a film. i was wondering what the pilot thought of this, when i was looking at this scene suddenly i remembered this war had ended 64 years ago. then abruptly the dreamscape changed . this is so unusual for me that when it happens it is always remembered. it has happened maybe 4 times in all .,then i found myself in . then i found myself in front of a pond with a lily pad ,then in a house . one look around and i knew where this was ,if not the house itself. the shoji screens, the fusuma sliding panels, the tatami mats on the floor, the engawa{an outside corridor around a house} - all these told me this was a traditional Japanese house, in the corner sitting next to a tokonoma ( a slightly elevated space in a room to receive visitors) was a woman in a plum blossom kimono tied with a green leaf obi . on seeing me she rose,bowed and went over to a different room ,then returned with a samisen and began to play. she began to sing a song. now here is the fascinating part : even though the song was in Japanese ,a language of which i only understand a few words i could understand her perfectly. she sang a song about her triumphs and disappointments, and also named the year. the 15th year of Shogun Ieharu {in the western calendar,the year was 1775} she sang some songs about qualities,such as loneliness ,sadness , joys and sorrows,some of which seemed to be in the form of a haiku poem. of these i have some recollection of only one. something about a tree by a lake and a plum blossom tree in the wind. (this dream predates my posting dreams on websites) i thought she was using them partly as metaphors. the ambition of Shogun Ieharu was to build japan's economy and restore prosperity.but it seemed events would thwart him at every turn. his period in office saw the great tenmei famine,one of the worst in the history of japan. all kinds of natural cataclysms,such as the eruption of mt ASAMA which destroyed much of the crops. typhoons at sea. i am not sure how this ties in with first part of the dream. and this was the most baffling dream i have ever experienced. if someone thinks they can shed some light on it,please try. this involves seeing two different time periods. i look forward to anyone's opinion ​

 

[unclesirbobbyrobson]

Dreams are often stories which seem totally unrelated to real life but which pinpoint key concepts and emotions which are dominating our mind. What you must first do is to look through the various portions of the dream and see if you can detect some key associations. If you can connect a dream to real life then it is likely that the dream is linked to that subject. Ask yourself key questions such as

1. The dream starts on a note of war and then ends in a tone of peace. The dream could portray a thought such as "I thought at first he was confronting me but actually things ended calmly"

2. The dream features very old weapons of war - the fokker tri-plane and sopwith camel are from the very early days of aviation. Could this hint at someone who is getting on in years. Did someone talk about some conflict with you who was much older.

3. Japan. One feature of world war two was that America and its allies treated their former enemies very well. They hoped that such treatment would make japan and germany as friends in the future. This could be a metaphor for a thought such as "I know we have had our differences but if I treat him well then we could start to become friends". Does such a theme seem relevant in your life right now? Dreams are in the here and now so they will often be symbolic of thoughts which we might tell a friend or write down in a diary.

4. The Japanese song. Think on an emotional level and see if this makes you think of as key emotion right now. It seems to be linked to emotions such as sorrow or loneliness. If this makes you think of a thought or emotion right now then the dream could link to that situation in real life.

Only you can make these connections. Analysing someone else's dreams is not easy as they are very personal and interpreting them is very difficult. When you get a dream try to link it by establishing associations. Is there any connections which come to mind? Try these two links from my website as they may help you make further associations.

Warfare in dreams
Music in dreams

 

[j. oak 357silversword]

thank you for your interesting analysis. as a matter of fact i did have one grandfather and 3 great-uncles in world war I. i am not certain though why i should be seeing events through this particular airman. i had 1 uncle in the air force ,but he was world war II. none of my relatives who fought in ww1 were in the air corps, to my knowledge. nevertheless i have studied military history and regarded the first world war as the major turning point for the modern world. if it had never been fought there could have been no fascism, no communism and the world we live in would be a very different place. maybe a better world,maybe not. but regarding the Japanese woman what held my fascination was not only her almost hypnotic song and poetry,but the fact that i could understand her perfectly. i neither speak nor read Japanese. even though the dream shifted from a war scenario to one of peace, there was always the awareness and potential for conflict looming beneath the surface. the country was suffering from famines and epidemics. widespread economic chaos. as you pointed out, the united states was very good to its enemies after the war. what makes this dream so very puzzling was 2 seemingly unrelated themes in the dream. it will be very interesting to find this out. a friend of mine to whom i told it thought it was real.that is, i was encountering people who once had lived and were now contacting me through the dream state​

Dreams are often stories which seem totally unrelated to real life but which pinpoint key concepts and emotions which are dominating our mind. What you must first do is to look through the various portions of the dream and see if you can detect some key associations. If you can connect a dream to real life then it is likely that the dream is linked to that subject. Ask yourself key questions such as

1. The dream starts on a note of war and then ends in a tone of peace. The dream could portray a thought such as "I thought at first he was confronting me but actually things ended calmly"

2. The dream features very old weapons of war - the fokker tri-plane and sopwith camel are from the very early days of aviation. Could this hint at someone who is getting on in years. Did someone talk about some conflict with you who was much older.

3. Japan. One feature of world war two was that America and its allies treated their former enemies very well. They hoped that such treatment would make japan and germany as friends in the future. This could be a metaphor for a thought such as "I know we have had our differences but if I treat him well then we could start to become friends". Does such a theme seem relevant in your life right now? Dreams are in the here and now so they will often be symbolic of thoughts which we might tell a friend or write down in a diary.

4. The Japanese song. Think on an emotional level and see if this makes you think of as key emotion right now. It seems to be linked to emotions such as sorrow or loneliness. If this makes you think of a thought or emotion right now then the dream could link to that situation in real life.

Only you can make these connections. Analysing someone else's dreams is not easy as they are very personal and interpreting them is very difficult. When you get a dream try to link it by establishing associations. Is there any connections which come to mind? Try these two links from my website as they may help you make further associations.

Warfare in dreams
Music in dreams

 

[unclesirbobbyrobson]

You said " a friend of mine to whom i told it thought it was real.that is, i was encountering people who once had lived and were now contacting me through the dream state"​

I never know what to say about dreams about the dead. I believe in premonitions but I am not sure about communicating with the dead in dreams. Its impossible to prove or disprove such a thing. But I always keep open to the possibility that it is true. If you are interested in paranormal dreams then there is a selection of links to such dreams on this page. Paranormal dreams. The links to the different dreams are at the bottom and each page features some background info.

You say about the dream features two unrelated themes. I am not sure that is the case as one theme is WAR and the other theme could be seen as PEACE. I always try to look for ways in which a dream simply portrays your thoughts at the time. This dream then could simply link to a thought in real life which involves conflict and the aftermath to conflict (peace).

 

[j. oak 357silversword]

I never know what to say about dreams about the dead. I believe in premonitions but I am not sure about communicating with the dead in dreams. Its impossible to prove or disprove such a thing. But I always keep open to the possibility that it is true. If you are interested in paranormal dreams then there is a selection of links to such dreams on this page. Paranormal dreams. The links to the different dreams are at the bottom and each page features some background info.

You say about the dream features two unrelated themes. I am not sure that is the case as one theme is WAR and the other theme could be seen as PEACE. I always try to look for ways in which a dream simply portrays your thoughts at the time. This dream then could simply link to a thought in real life which involves conflict and the aftermath to conflict (peace ) it is true that one theme is WAR and the other PEACE so in that sense they are related. i meant rather the different time periods and environments. from world war I to Tokugawa era Japan. a time difference of 150 years! and before Japan was opened to the rest of the world. and seeing a past event through the eyes and feelings of someone else. i believe the term for that is retro-cognition. also being able,in dream state to understand a foreign language i hardly understand at all, in waking life. you are right about there being a dichotomy between the emotional state and the rational mind. this was even more true for me then than now. i will definitely check those links ​

 

[Arnfinnius]

I think I will see it as a combination between your souls earlier flowers and the deep urge and hunger for beauty and peace, that dtermines at the point where you idntifys the illusiveness of your experience by the realization of " but this is an old war, gone decades ago".
So as you notes strange awareness in the dream, but since you actually have been around for ages, and all your extraordinary knowledge confirm that.
she sang some songs about qualities,such as loneliness ,sadness , joys and sorrows,some of which seemed to be in the form of a haiku poem. of these i have some recollection of only one. something about a tree by a lake and a plum blossom tree in the wind.
This is the key, the song is about how the feminine suffers and what she longs for, under this masculine rule that is demanding security, gets it, but at a very high cost, so the win swins like water in the hand.
so the japanese story is the deeper level of the second world war's airy samurays, which can in a dream context be seen as word war.
Very fascinating dream J.Oak, indeed.
Your friend Arnfinnius

 

[j. oak 357silversword]

you are right about my yearning for peace. but do you mean that these are really soul memories of mine, and that on some level i have a link to everything i have seen? if that is true it would explain much. such as my understanding a song in Japanese or seeing combat scenes from a war in which i did not fight. i am not sure of the connection between the airman and myself, but there must be one. with regard to the woman in Japan the plum blossom symbolizes endurance and perseverance since it blossoms even during the severest winters. it is therefore regarded as a symbol of hope and good fortune. a collection of poems in Japanese literature called the Manyoshu have numerous references to plum blossoms. still not quite sure as to why this dream had the sequence it did,but perhaps i am being overly analytical. your friend, J.OAK357SILVERSWORD​

 

[Arnfinnius]

You might say, since the whole of the universe is interacting, that all is consisted in every being , but the conscious awareness is limited by the thousand veils, so I would in the understanding of the wholeness of this hold onto a common understanding of the drama, so first the surface and under the reason of the surface, and then we should have the situation of being shot down, loosing manouver control in a battle for prosperity and peace, urged by the longing of the heart. But since a battle for change is energizing change, change is overstimulated, so the awareness is easily drawn out in the regions which change, and leaves the beauty of peace where poems are radiating alone in sorrow. It seems to me that all of us is taken by the theme of your dream, J.Oak. To battle without leaving the center, our home, we must accept a loss of surrounding control, this force all fear that lives in our nature to surface, and must be accepted if a right act shall be done. Yes I do think earlier manifestations of the soul is due here, and is within you brought to awareness for healing work.
So we could say that your soul is still hopeful and strong.
The connection with the airman, look at the view of the dream, involved but with an overview of things, both intellectual and emotional, so transfere the whole drama into a fight about ideas and imaginations and see if it makes any sense.

 

[j. oak 357silversword]

it is true that the entire universe interacts . but i have tried to do as you say, that is, transfer the entire scene into a fight about ideas and imagination,with mixed results. so you believe the fight scene was symbolic,of losing control in a fight that corresponds to daily living? my outlook has never been this way. i always regarded prosperity as a natural right which would follow if one managed his own affairs well,not something to be fought for. but i know there are also forces active in the world inimical to prosperity, or peace too, for that matter. but this is also about renewal and resurrection. the song was sad but also joyful. but i think it is very likely your theory of earlier manifestations of the soul are right. many lessons to be learned here. the air battle seemed so real at the time that on waking i knew i had witnessed something , way out of the ordinary. after much research i finally identified the type of plane he was attacking when shot down. it was a FRIEDRICHSHAFEN G.III bomber armed with 3 machine guns and capable of carrying a payload of 3.500 lbs of bombs. which probably accounts for the higher altitude of the hostile squadron, after seeing something so vividly i of course would be receptive to the notion that this was a time vision,of some sort. the woman in Japan did not seem in the least bit surprised to see me and,in fact acted as though she were expecting me. remember, this was before Japan was open to the rest of the world. it was a closed nation at the time. so the theory about spirit c communication is probably a right one. this unusually complex dream needs much more analysis to bring out the lessons in it,but we started on the right track J. Oak357Silversword​